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A Franklin V-screen mystery (upd: Wind Splitter Sedan)


Larry from the US recently found this 1922 Franklin model 10A with a sedan body carrying a rare V-screen windshield. Before starting a restoration he would like to know what he has. So far he has found no makers badge and the Franklin website only informed him that his Series 10A is one of 2,630 made in 1922. So far he has not been successfull in identifying this interesting body. Does anybody out there know who made it?

UPDATE by editor: we get several e-mails of people advising Larry not to invest in a deep restoration, but to preserve as good as possible what's there. It took the car 91 years to look like this. It's is easy to destroy that in two weeks time. So make it run, make it usable, but don't paint it. This car running but still in its current guise will be the sensation of any show.      

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lunedì maggio 20th, 2013
larry
13 Settembre 2013, 01:48
[quote name=""]Regarding the Franklin shown, this is a standard Franklin body (sedan) for 1922 (Automobile Topics of Oct 14th, 1922 page 882 has a great picture of this car). Franklin dropped their prices in April of 1922 and the sedan went from $4350 to $3350. Franklin also had a standard color (Royal Blue) that may describe the color of this car.

Since 1910, the H.H. Franklin Manufacturing Co. (Syracuse, NY) had had a close relationship with the Walker Body Company, who supplied the majority of their bodies - in 1920 Franklin bought an interest in the company. The car show here is most likely bodied by Walker.

Steve
vintagemotoring.blogspot.com[/quote]
than you steve for the info.
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larry
13 Settembre 2013, 01:46
[quote name=""]looking at that front wing it would appear to me that the paint is missing .... now i personally prefer to see paint than rust. i am not an expert but i would also hazard a guess that a layer of paint would also protect the metal work from further oxidation. Of course u would probably have to remove the rust that is there before applying a new coat (oh my god destroy that beautiful patina). Actually what i would do is paint the whole damn car with a layer of grease 1/4 inch thick thereby preserving its long lost shine, allowing the vehicle to withstand anything the elements can throw at it for another 91 years and also eliminating the constant desire of the general populous to touch anything unusual with their sticky acidic fingers.. which also would be great fun to watch from a distance at car shows as people walk away in disgust.. a car that leaves its mark on peoples paws[/quote]
first of all i just got the car and thought i would be nice to let people see it nothing has been done to the car yet but thanks for your opinion and just to let you know some day it will see its beauty again.
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larry
13 Settembre 2013, 01:41
[quote name=""]Vey interesting cars, I nearly bought one in the US last year before buying the 1925 Buick I have now, unfortunately I have no idea who made the body, I just hope Larry isn't gong to "pimp it up", it looks far too good for that?[/quote]
no not looking to pimp it up would like to restore to factory.
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Sconosciuto
24 Maggio 2013, 21:43
Regarding the Franklin shown, this is a standard Franklin body (sedan) for 1922 (Automobile Topics of Oct 14th, 1922 page 882 has a great picture of this car). Franklin dropped their prices in April of 1922 and the sedan went from $4350 to $3350. Franklin also had a standard color (Royal Blue) that may describe the color of this car.

Since 1910, the H.H. Franklin Manufacturing Co. (Syracuse, NY) had had a close relationship with the Walker Body Company, who supplied the majority of their bodies - in 1920 Franklin bought an interest in the company. The car show here is most likely bodied by Walker.

Steve
vintagemotoring.blogspot.com
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Sconosciuto
23 Maggio 2013, 23:04
Oh please just leave it alone! So "charming" as the Brit's say, "cool" for us silly Americans....the patina can never be brought back once messed with!
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Sconosciuto
22 Maggio 2013, 08:19
looking at that front wing it would appear to me that the paint is missing .... now i personally prefer to see paint than rust. i am not an expert but i would also hazard a guess that a layer of paint would also protect the metal work from further oxidation. Of course u would probably have to remove the rust that is there before applying a new coat (oh my god destroy that beautiful patina). Actually what i would do is paint the whole damn car with a layer of grease 1/4 inch thick thereby preserving its long lost shine, allowing the vehicle to withstand anything the elements can throw at it for another 91 years and also eliminating the constant desire of the general populous to touch anything unusual with their sticky acidic fingers.. which also would be great fun to watch from a distance at car shows as people walk away in disgust.. a car that leaves its mark on peoples paws
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Gregory Wells
21 Maggio 2013, 19:01
Larry, this should be a standard Franklin body, either a Sedan or a Brougham, depending on the shape of the rear of the car. The following images are from a May 1918 Franklin publication, but I believe they're the same bodies as used through 1922.

http://slotblog.net/banner/f.20.jpg
http://slotblog.net/banner/f.21.jpg
http://slotblog.net/banner/f.22.jpg
http://slotblog.net/banner/f.23.jpg

(scans courtesy of Google Books).

While these V-windshield Franklins are not common, searching Google Images will locate numerous examples.
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Ace Zenek
21 Maggio 2013, 17:36
The irony of the Automatic Fan Forced Heat box on the front seat is awesome!
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Sconosciuto
21 Maggio 2013, 15:29
The V windshield may have been unusual for automobiles in general but this body feature was standard Franklin sedan design 1917-1922.
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Sconosciuto
21 Maggio 2013, 14:14
Franklin called it a "Wind Splitter Sedan" - sexy marketing has always been in vogue.
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Sconosciuto
21 Maggio 2013, 05:38
Vey interesting cars, I nearly bought one in the US last year before buying the 1925 Buick I have now, unfortunately I have no idea who made the body, I just hope Larry isn't gong to "pimp it up", it looks far too good for that?
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Sconosciuto
21 Maggio 2013, 04:29
It was John Wilkinson who developed the V-Windshield for Franklin.
They were Partners and he was the Vice President
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkinson_%28Franklin_automobile%29
He pioneered the V-screen from 1916-1922.
http://www.franklincar.org/FranklinGilmore/fac-cars.htm
Stuart
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Sconosciuto
21 Maggio 2013, 04:02
Finding a website was relatively easy.
But finding the exact car difficult.
This looks like a cross between the Demi-Sedan (3 side window) with the 10A V windshield (2 side window)type.
http://www.franklincar.org/tech/pictures-by-year.html
Stuart
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