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A 1903 Vintage Lineup Mystery (Upd. Mabley convention?)
Not long ago Mark Miller visited friends in Bembridge on the Isle of Wight who were renovating a house that they had purchased. Mark writes: "The house belonged to an elderly lady who had recently died and the family were disposing of her property. Most of the contents were sold with the house including much paperwork and some photographs. This photograph in particular caught my eye and although not in the best of conditions it is a most interesting image. It is large (about 30 inches wide) and is signed Bennett Clark 1903 in the right corner. As can be seen it is a lineup of 18 veteran vehicles of various makes fully kitted out but not showing any number plates. Have no idea what the event is or the location. The elderly lady who died was a very interesting character who served during World War II in the ATA (Air Traffic Auxillary) delivering planes from Spitfires to Lancasters."
Quite an interesting photo Mark, we have split up the larger photo (click main pic) into three seperate parts: the left, the middle and right for easier identification. Let's try and see how many marques and models you can spot.
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Sconosciuto
19 Febbraio 2012, 15:49
I forgot to mention that the car on the right, which I identified as a Star, clearly is a veteran even in 1903, still having solid tires.
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Sconosciuto
19 Febbraio 2012, 15:33
Let's give it a try too, from left to right: Mabley, De Dion-Bouton voiturette, Sunbeam, Sunbeam, Wolseley, De Dion-Bouton, Mabley, Wolseley, De Dion-Bouton, Sunbeam, De Dion-Bouton, De Dion-Bouton voiturette (missing on the detail-photos), Wolseley, unidentified, Mabley, De Dion-Bouton (possibly), Star(-Benz). The unidentified vehicle has something interesting below the bonnet, however the resolution of the photo is too low to recognize. Identification would be more easy with a higher res photo. Star and Sunbeam were both from Wolverhampton, by the way. Maybe the unidentified car had connections there as well?
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Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 23:13
These wide photos were popular during the early decades of the 20th century.
Maybe one of the PreWarCar readers can explain the details of
this photographic procedure.
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Maybe one of the PreWarCar readers can explain the details of
this photographic procedure.
Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 18:58
I googled Bennett-Clark-1903-photographer, and came up with an interesting site about his career as a commercial photographer. Well worth a read.
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Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 17:29
You all have seen old photos of cars at speed that seem to be leaning forward, due to the shutter action on the old cameras. The cars in the full photo all seem to be leaning towards the center of the photograph. Is this again some effect of the camera? In the three separate photos, it's not so pronounced.
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Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 11:47
As previous comment sent in but not yet displayed on site:
Bennett Clark was the photographer for John Marston Ltd., makers of the Sunbeam bicycle and, until c.1904, the Sunbeam car. He continued as their 'official' photographer until two-wheeler production ceased at Wolverhampton in 1937 and all works photographs bear his imprint.
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Bennett Clark was the photographer for John Marston Ltd., makers of the Sunbeam bicycle and, until c.1904, the Sunbeam car. He continued as their 'official' photographer until two-wheeler production ceased at Wolverhampton in 1937 and all works photographs bear his imprint.
Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 09:52
Bennett Clark was the Wolverhampton photographer for John Marston Ltd., makers of The Sunbeam car until c. 1904. He continued as the company photographer for Marston's Sunbeam motorcycle and bicycle ranges until the end of Wolverhampton production in 1937, all 'official' Marston photographs bearing his imprint.
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Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 09:34
I have seen similar pics before, could be the first meeting of a motor club in their area. we have a similar pic of the founding of the ACNW , Automobile Club of North Wales.
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Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 09:32
The date of the photo is the 28th March 1903 and the location is Wrottesley Park not far from Tettenhall on what is now the A41. The occasion is an outing of the Wolverhampton & District Automobile Club and your line up includes at least two Sunbeam 10-12hp. models and three of the quite unusual Sunbeam-Mableys.
Can I please be put in touch with your Mark Miller who supplied this image? Thanks Bruce Dowell – Sunbeam Registrar & Historian.
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Can I please be put in touch with your Mark Miller who supplied this image? Thanks Bruce Dowell – Sunbeam Registrar & Historian.
Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 09:12
The law requiring motor cars to display number plates did not come into force until 1st January 1904. There were some earlier provisions but these related to things like traction engines, not cars.
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C.Gillingham
13 Febbraio 2012, 08:41
I think No.3 & No.4 are 12hp Sunbeams.
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C.Gillingham
13 Febbraio 2012, 08:25
Actually, No.8 with the hood could be a Wolseley as well.
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Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 08:08
Do I see three Sunbeam-Mableys!?
The ATA is the Air Transport Auxiliary; with a dedicated museum at Maidenhead, who are keen to obtain papers relating to ex-members: http://www.atamuseum.org/
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The ATA is the Air Transport Auxiliary; with a dedicated museum at Maidenhead, who are keen to obtain papers relating to ex-members: http://www.atamuseum.org/
Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 08:02
Three Sunbeam Mableys (1,7,15), three Wolseleys (5,8,12) and three De Dion Boutons (6,9,11)
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Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 07:49
Middle pic goes De Dion, Sunbeam Mabley, Wolseley, De Dion, Darracq, De Dion.
The right side pic starts with a Wolseley and there is another Sunbeam Mabley in there. On the right could be any one of several makes but it is the earliest car there. Looks to be 1898-99. Maybe a De Dion but also maybe a Hurtu?
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The right side pic starts with a Wolseley and there is another Sunbeam Mabley in there. On the right could be any one of several makes but it is the earliest car there. Looks to be 1898-99. Maybe a De Dion but also maybe a Hurtu?
Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 07:44
In the left side pic the car on the extereme left is a 1903 Sunbeam-Mabley. On the right is a single cylinder Wolseley and the two cars to the left of it are Darracqs.
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Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 06:45
Left part
Third and Fourth both Ca. 1903 Panhard-Levassor
Then a Wolseley, one of the very first all British cars. Designed by Herbert Austin.
Middle part:
First car a De Dion Bouton
Second car a 1901-02 Sunbeam-Mabley, very unconventional design. Wheels laid out in a diamond formation.
Third Wolsey again
Fourth De Dion Bouton again
Fifth Panhard-Levassor once again
The right part:
First car a Wolseley
Third car a Sunbeam-Mabley again.
I strongly suspect that the first car of witch only the rear is seen in the left part is also a Sunbeam-Mabley.
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Third and Fourth both Ca. 1903 Panhard-Levassor
Then a Wolseley, one of the very first all British cars. Designed by Herbert Austin.
Middle part:
First car a De Dion Bouton
Second car a 1901-02 Sunbeam-Mabley, very unconventional design. Wheels laid out in a diamond formation.
Third Wolsey again
Fourth De Dion Bouton again
Fifth Panhard-Levassor once again
The right part:
First car a Wolseley
Third car a Sunbeam-Mabley again.
I strongly suspect that the first car of witch only the rear is seen in the left part is also a Sunbeam-Mabley.
Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 06:32
the second vehicle from the left in the middle photo is most likely a 1901-02 Sunbeam-Mabley. It has the wheels in a distinctive diamond pattern, with one person facing left and one facing right. Photo at http://www.motoringpicturelibrary.com/preview_image.asp?fleID=5079
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Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 05:53
from far left: sunbeam marbley, de dion,sumbeam,P&L, wolsley,renault, sumbeam marbley, wolsley, ?/DD,renault),P&L; ? ( DD,renault), de dion, wolsley, ?( DD, renault), sunbeam marbley, motorcycle, de dion
an amazing mass of marbleys??
mike
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an amazing mass of marbleys??
mike
Sconosciuto
13 Febbraio 2012, 01:56
I can count 3 Sunbeam-Mabley's there. From the left, No.1, No.7 & No.16.
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