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A fresh Czech engine Mystery (upd. pre 1910 Ballot? Bianchi? )
Josef Kubista is seeking help with identifying this monobloc four cylinder (found in the Czech Republic). So with the help of a local forum, but so far nobody has a clue. The size appears to be 67 x 110mm. Everything else is in the pictures, no marking except for 1926 /16/ 23-3 (date of manufacturing?). Josef has some ideas but he likes to hear the opinion from abroad expert first without bringing in suggestive gambles first.
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domenica marzo 10th, 2013
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19 Marzo 2013, 13:43
David,
I am not the owner of this engine but from my understanding the only numbers are those shown (I think this is stamped on the cylinder reinforcement leg). You can get in touch directly at pepcak(at)volny.cz
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I am not the owner of this engine but from my understanding the only numbers are those shown (I think this is stamped on the cylinder reinforcement leg). You can get in touch directly at pepcak(at)volny.cz
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19 Marzo 2013, 09:58
Hello Josef, Is there an engine number stamped anywhere? I do not think it is a Ballot, just of similar date, but if you can find a number I could confirm that it is not Ballot, all their stuff was numbed logically.
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17 Marzo 2013, 10:57
Guys,
thanks for all the feedback! Thanks to Dave for the pictures of Ballot engine.
Now, I agree that in mid 1920s this engine would have been really way old fashioned and around 1910s looks more likely as a manufacture date. The Ballot engine is similar, but still differences are numerous. My thoughts were around Adler 6/25 (67x110 engine) or Stoewer (C1, B1, C5, D2) that were also similar size. Unfortunately I was not able to find (enough) pictures on-line so would appreciate any pictures to confirm or deny this direction.
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thanks for all the feedback! Thanks to Dave for the pictures of Ballot engine.
Now, I agree that in mid 1920s this engine would have been really way old fashioned and around 1910s looks more likely as a manufacture date. The Ballot engine is similar, but still differences are numerous. My thoughts were around Adler 6/25 (67x110 engine) or Stoewer (C1, B1, C5, D2) that were also similar size. Unfortunately I was not able to find (enough) pictures on-line so would appreciate any pictures to confirm or deny this direction.
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13 Marzo 2013, 14:57
So Jiri thinks it is a Ballot, but mid 20s. As I said it looks like a Ballot , but certainly not mid 20's.
More like pre 1910. I will send you a picture of a 1910 Ballot for you to compare.
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More like pre 1910. I will send you a picture of a 1910 Ballot for you to compare.
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13 Marzo 2013, 09:10
PÅ™Ãteli KubiÅ¡to,domnÃvám se,že se jedná o motor Ballot,ale nejsem si jist a spÃÅ¡ z doby,která je datována na motoru,tedy polovina dvacátých let. Jirka Schwarz
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12 Marzo 2013, 12:41
I doubt if it as late as that William. I still reckon pre 1910.n77z4
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12 Marzo 2013, 08:45
Regarding the dating. I think that '1926' is more likely to be the engine number whilst the year of manufacture could well be March 1916.
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12 Marzo 2013, 08:41
I very much doubt that is a 1926 engine. The numbers are cast, usually dates are stamped. Where are they anyway? I cannot see any bronze parts in the other photos.
It looks similar to very early Ballots, pre-1910. I would guess it is from around that time. Maybe a Chapuis Dornier?
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It looks similar to very early Ballots, pre-1910. I would guess it is from around that time. Maybe a Chapuis Dornier?
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12 Marzo 2013, 07:47
I would suggest that the engine may have been found with the cylinder block removed [as in the third image] hence the rust on both pistons and rods. These were romoved from the crankshaft and the cylinder block replaced [without the pistons and rods] as seen in the first image.
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11 Marzo 2013, 16:42
I very much doubt that is a 1926 engine. The numbers are cast in not stamped on, and where are they on the engine? I can't see any bronze.
It looks similar to very early (pre 1910) Ballots so I would put it Pre-WWI. Open flywhhel, cone clutch, top water jacket cover, splash lubrication etc., No idea of the maker tho'!
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It looks similar to very early (pre 1910) Ballots so I would put it Pre-WWI. Open flywhhel, cone clutch, top water jacket cover, splash lubrication etc., No idea of the maker tho'!
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11 Marzo 2013, 15:02
To Mr. Mawer - I have understand the engine block was actually found extra and only then assembled to the rest :-)
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R.Mawer
11 Marzo 2013, 11:00
I am amazed he has been able to pull the cylinder block off pistons in such a dry, dirty,rusty condition!There is no sign of any diesel oil having been poured into the cylinder bores. How did he do it?
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11 Marzo 2013, 06:06
This has an Italian look to me and partly reminicent of Bianchi. However a date of 1926 with such a torturous path for the induction (like early vintage OM) surely it must have been the last of the production. Look forward to other opinions.
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im from czech
i speeg czech or germany