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A non-Ghost Mystery chassis. (upd. Delage CO )
Ian Murray took these photos years ago and he was asking for an opinion. Well in our humble opinion the photo itself is even more beautiful than the chassis itself. It's almost like looking at a 17th century oil painting (check main photo for comparison). Yet when you live in Scotland you probably get used to this kind of eternal scenery. Sorry, but we were taken away for a moment.
Getting back to Ian: "When I first spotted it at a distance my heart jumped as I thought it was a prewar RR Ghost, but I'm sure it's not. Might it be a Napier? (click HERE for another perspective). I wonder if the subscribers to PreWarCar.com might like to have a go at identifying this large mystery Edwardian chassis? As for the chassis. It was 25 years ago when I took those photographs and I last saw it earlier this year. It hadn't deteriorated any and looks exactly the same. Unfortunately there aren't any markings or a name on the wheel hub nut and no serial numbers on the rear axle. However I did measure it and it has a 136 inch wheel base. That's almost (within 1/2") the same length of a prewar Ghost chassis. But what is it? "
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mercoledì giugno 27th, 2012
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29 Giugno 2012, 17:54
Nice chassis and rear axle. What are the sizes: width of axis and wheels.
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29 Giugno 2012, 09:59
I concur with Delage CO. Having a Delage DI myself I should have dug deeper!
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29 Giugno 2012, 08:10
Having seen a very similar chassis which lanquished on a farm owned by Rob Shand in the South Island of N.Z. for many years I too think it Delage. The rear backing plates [dust covers] are typically Delage as are the diff and wheels. Brfore you all book your flights for N.Z. these remains were purchased by Richard Stanley from Melbourne who also had a radiator which his brother John found under a house in Auckland, N.Z.
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29 Giugno 2012, 07:36
I wonder why not ask the family that lives in the house in the photo ? You'll probably find they have the engine in another shed.
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29 Giugno 2012, 02:43
Nice to see some lively discussion! I've checked my books and references and guess what? It's not a Sunbeam, either.
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28 Giugno 2012, 23:31
Dear Sirs, i am totally convinced that this is a Delage CO chassis, I have looked at the photographs that Ian Murray has referred us to. I have had a great deal of experience with these motor cars as has my father. The Delage factory in 1921 during the conversion of the CO to a CO2 chassis removed the three quarter eliptic springs and replaced them with steel arcs and 1/2 springs, perhaps Ians latest referral photo was a proto type, maybe the engine has been changed in later years, but I would trust emphatically Peter Jacob's of the Delage section of the VSCC's reference to factory drawings of the Delage CO being the same as illustrated in the photograph's of Ian Murrays of the CO chassis in Scotland. P.S. If I lived in Scotland I would attempt to buy the chassis, knowing it to be a Delage CO.
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28 Giugno 2012, 20:48
It could be UK Daimler,they had a similar rear spring arrangement for their larger early chassis.
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28 Giugno 2012, 19:01
Aye, I think the mystery continues regarding the chassis!
Look at the difference in the rear springs of a Delage CO chassis and the one I discovered in Scotland... Quite a different Chassis !?
The full picture is available here
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:110_ans_de_l'automobile_au_Grand_Palais_-_Delage_CO_4_%C2%BD_litre_Salamanca_-_1920_-_013.jpg
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Look at the difference in the rear springs of a Delage CO chassis and the one I discovered in Scotland... Quite a different Chassis !?
The full picture is available here
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:110_ans_de_l'automobile_au_Grand_Palais_-_Delage_CO_4_%C2%BD_litre_Salamanca_-_1920_-_013.jpg
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28 Giugno 2012, 17:45
I'm not convinced!
Looking at the Delage CO chassis there is clearly a very different set up for the rear springs and chassis.
Check out this wonderful example:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:110_ans_de_l'automobile_au_Grand_Palais_-_Delage_CO_4_%C2%BD_litre_Salamanca_-_1920_-_013.jpg
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Looking at the Delage CO chassis there is clearly a very different set up for the rear springs and chassis.
Check out this wonderful example:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:110_ans_de_l'automobile_au_Grand_Palais_-_Delage_CO_4_%C2%BD_litre_Salamanca_-_1920_-_013.jpg
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28 Giugno 2012, 10:50
I agree with Jak re the Ghost chassis. I thought it might be Crossley from the rear axle & hubs but the chassis configuration is wrong. Thanks
Derek
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28 Giugno 2012, 10:47
I agree with Jak in that I doubt it is a ghost chassis - I thought for a minute it might be a Crossly 20/25 chassis by the Dif and hubs but the chassis configuration is wrong. ( edited: advertising parts is welcome in our parts section)
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28 Giugno 2012, 10:43
Sirs,
My friend Anthony Osborne in Australia has drawn my attention to this mystery chassis. An owner of several Delages he recognised this as a Delage type CO and I have confirmed this by comparison with the spare parts list drawing.
The type CO was built from 1917 to 1921. It had a 4,424cc side valve engine. Around 1,390 were built and 14 are known to have survived. It was superceded by the type GS and then the type CO2, both overhead valve version of the same capacity engine. I'd love to know the story behind these remains.
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My friend Anthony Osborne in Australia has drawn my attention to this mystery chassis. An owner of several Delages he recognised this as a Delage type CO and I have confirmed this by comparison with the spare parts list drawing.
The type CO was built from 1917 to 1921. It had a 4,424cc side valve engine. Around 1,390 were built and 14 are known to have survived. It was superceded by the type GS and then the type CO2, both overhead valve version of the same capacity engine. I'd love to know the story behind these remains.
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28 Giugno 2012, 09:35
Also from Antony Osborne in Australia, the CO chassis front end has front wheel brakes, did so from 1918. These cars from the basis for a number of aero engined specials. I have technical drawings for the CO (edited)
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28 Giugno 2012, 09:24
The cahsis is a 1918 to 1921 Delage CO, these cars were powered by a 4.5 litre side valve engine, 4 speed gear box. there are 1 CO in Australia, 1 in New Zealand, and several in Europe.... ( edited: advertising parts is welcome in our parts section)
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28 Giugno 2012, 09:19
The chasis and rear differential photographed are that of a 1918 to 1920 Delage CO. These cars were powered by a 4.5 litre side valve engine and a 4 speed gear box with rigt hand gear change and front wheel brakes. Known survivors are in Australia 1, new Zealand 1 and France2. I have a radiator, fire... ( edited: advertising parts info is welcome in our parts section)
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28 Giugno 2012, 04:35
I do not think it is an Edwardian RR Ghost which also had three quarter elliptics BUT the rear cross mrmber on the Ghost is about 9 inches further to the rear & has an extension for the fuel tank mounting. This one has it in line with the spring mounts. The 6 cylinder Napiers---30hp had 3/4 elliptics But the rear axle construction is different. They were a one piece casting incorporating the diff housing half & the axle housing. The bigger 6cyl Napier rera axles were the same & have platform rear springing. So Maybe Sheffield Simplex ?
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