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Hoax or reality? Blitzen Benz pump house find

PreWarCar.com likes to get in touch with Australian readers who have the time and means to travel the outback.

Report by Jeroen Booij:
Oh, how often do we have to hear that all the good barn finds have been snatched up by now? Sure, they get harder to find but there are still some automotive gems to be rediscovered.  Yesterday a message came in triggering all of our senses. It’s the story of an unknown Blitzen Benz that could survive in the Australian outback. Yep, that’s the chain-driven, 21.5-litre, 200+km/h land speed record car. In witty prose the writer tells that he got in touch with a farmer back in 1974 (yes, that's forty years ago, but still...):

“As per usual on a hot summer day he sat down and told us his stories of old vehicles. You know, the usual stuff of T-Fords, Overlanders, Dodges and Willys. He told us of a time when there was racing on the dustpans around his town when someone brought up a real monster Mercedes-Benz (sic) racing car. They tried to race it, but being so large and heavy all it did was make a lot of dust and noise. He rattled on for quite a time about this huge car and to be quite honest I had never even heard of it and I certainly did not know they made cars that big. The old guy then dropped a bombshell: ‘Do you want to see it?’”

“Apparently the car was abandoned and just left there to rust for some years. Some while later it was moved and placed by a dam and the motor was connected to a pump. The old guy then gave quite precise instructions as to where to find it. An ‘expedition’ of one motorcyclist went off to find it some weeks later, but he returned and said that he just could not find it. The feeling was that it was just a ‘wild goose chase’. But it did not end there. We did verify that the Benz did come to Australia and it did not return. Apparently the old guy came by again a year or so later and asked if the Benz was found and he was surprised that it wasn’t. He gave further instructions. But at that stage we moved on to other things. Is the Blitzen Benz still there? I have heard nothing either to suggest that it is or isn’t.”

Love it. But could it be true, too? We have heard stranger stories of an Auto Union C-type in an East German scrapyard or a Mercedes-Benz 540K ‘Aktion P’ in deepest Russia… We asked Mercedes-Benz Classic, who confirm six Blitzen Benzes have been built. One of them is owned by MB themselves; another is in a European collection while a third survivor has been commisioned as a four-seater. A fourth car in an American collection is in fact a recreation built around an original engine and some other parts. “Finding one of these cars now would be sensational”, M-B Classic's spokesman adds. We also asked Blitzen Benz historian Karl Ludvigsen, who said: “Off top of my head I don't recall one of these Benzes in Australia. However there is one car that went to Spain whose whereabouts is, as far as I know, unknown. It might have made the trip Down Under.”  There you go.

Could one of the world’s more remote places be hiding one of the world’s best kept motoring secrets? PreWarCar likes to hear from readers who have the time to travel the outback. Of course you're welcome to post your comments. If you like to to contact us directly use [email protected].

(photo courtesy Daimler AG)

   

Originally published on February 24, 2014!

 

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sabato ottobre 26th, 2024
Steve Diggins
31 Ottobre 2024, 19:30
In 1913, Blitzen Benz number two came to Vancouver, where it set a new Canadian speed record on a one-mile track. Was this the only time it was taken out of the U.S.A.? With regards to Vancouver, there was direct shipping to and from New Zealand and Australia from this port. A large number of crated cars built in Ontario were shipped this way. Did the Blitzen Benz use this service? To see the pictures of the car, go to the City of Vancouver Archives website and put "Blitzen Benz" in their search box.
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Tony Press
29 Ottobre 2024, 22:09
I find the many 'unknown' comments rather confusing—do we have many contributors to this somewhat confusing ten-year-old story or are they all from the same person? Or is it a rather late April Fool's joke?
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Sconosciuto
17 Marzo 2014, 02:55
For those a little intrigued about the odd story of "The Blitzen Benz" in Australia there is a little more information which might excite interest. There were two monster Fiats built in 1910/11. One came to Australia and raced. The original motor WAS TAKEN OUT AND REPLACED WITH A STUTZ engine in Australia. What happened to the monster Fiat motor?
It was built to "take on" the Blitzen Benz in racing but did they compete in Oz? So on the record is the intention of Barney Oldfield to bring the Benz to Australia, the building of the Fiat which came to Australia and crashed and a motor which was removed. Was the huge motor abandoned or used as a pump the Fiat motor or a Benz motor. "The thot plickens!"

"How big: 28.3 liters
How powerful: 300 horsepower

Built in the winter of 1910/11 by Fiat to take on the Blitzen Benz, it featured a four cylinder 28.3 litre engine (190x250mm). Two of these cars were built. Number 1 was purchased by the Russian Prince Boris Soukhanov late 1911, but after the Russian revolution it went to Australia where it was fitted with a Stutz engine until it was crashed in 1924. Number 2 was retained by Fiat, but was scrapped in 1920, only the engine being kept." I have a picture, but you can see a pic of it on this web site http://jalopnik.com/the-worlds-ten-largest-engines-509258535
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Sconosciuto
02 Marzo 2014, 14:07
It has been interesting to read the comments about the possibility of the remains of a Blitzen Benz. The story is genuine but unfortunately the players in this bit of drama have shuffled off somewhere else. The old chap who spoke to me did live (in this area) for many years and he must have been a young man when he first saw the BB. He was adamant that the remains of the car were where he said, on the side of a dam and it was used as a pump. I have difficulty with that myself. (this region) is very dry and to my knowledge there would not be too many dams around. I could be wrong. But the old bloke came back about a year later and was surprised that it was not found. I was "out of the scene" by then and it was also a time of turmoil at the museum as there was illness, a death and change of management. I have heard nothing about the car since except for that one newspaper cutting posted to me recently concerning a possible tour of the BB with barney Oldfield about 1911. I have not yet found evidence to say that it did happen or did not. But let me say this. Australia is a massive place and there are regions largely unexplored. There is drifting dust and sand, floods and there are fires. If there was a BB sitting by a dam somewhere it would look little different from any of the other hundreds or thousands of pieces of ferrous junk littering the "outback" which far from being a few thousand square miles is basically two thirds of the country. I have had my share of "barn finds" including an black SS Jag 2 seater at Kapunda. There are also strange stories and artifacts where you would not expect to find them eg a U boat engine at Booleroo Centre and a report of a Watt Beam engine under the floor of the Laura Flour Mill. (apparently it was the old engine from the Birdwood Mill). Australia is a unique country for finding old cars in strange places. The early wealth and the dry conditions and vast distances enabled this. Just keep your eyes and ears open. Good hunting!
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Sconosciuto
01 Marzo 2014, 12:27
Hi David

The amazing thing with these forums are the "wheels within wheels", the enthusiast who told me about the trappers find in Qld was Ross Burr who amongst other projects restored a 510S V radiator Fiat, since reading this Benz stuff I have found the forum that discussed the Claims of a Fiat S76 coming to Aus and read the factual statements of my old friend Ivan Saxton whom I haven't seen for far too many years, and I note he now also has a V radiator 510S in his collection, it would be amazing if it is the Burr Car, but he may know of the chain drive US vehicle you refer to, I believe the Perkins diesel engined 8 litre Hisso Stuart Middlehurst ended up owning spent time in Broken Hill
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Sconosciuto
01 Marzo 2014, 09:38
Hi Brendan

If you are travelling via Mildura on your MBike run in April call past Chateau Mildura 0428291563
http://www.prewarcar.com/magazine/previous-features/the-mildura-mystery-bikes-upd-triumph-1910-11-or-swift-017315-2.html
Cheers Lance
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Sconosciuto
27 Febbraio 2014, 22:37
Lance, I know what it is like out there and I have read Neville Webb's book. There is one other car, a chain driven American racing car of about 1914 that I have been trying to trace. The last time I know of a sighting was 1927. Australia is a big place.
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Sconosciuto
27 Febbraio 2014, 13:21
David the australian outback covers much more than a thousand square kilometres, try hundreds of thusands, as the article describes even with precise instructions it is difficult to locate anything, you need to be guided by someone who has been to the destination many times, a read of Neville Webbs history of the Broken Hill VSSC Club gives an indication of the vehicles around in the 50's ranging from 8 litre Hisso's to Austin 7's, but there are keen collectors in these areas who have collected many of the more complete and valuable remnants, but of course many still remain not recognisable as cars just rusted chassis with a motor from which all non ferrous material has been long removed and unless you or someone you know has a use for it isn't worth the effort to recover
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Sconosciuto
27 Febbraio 2014, 09:12
I remember seeing an old Aboriginal tribe leader with a Mercedes star on a gold chain hanging around his neck !!
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Sconosciuto
27 Febbraio 2014, 01:18
I am sure we have all heard a story like this, only the make of car varying from story to story. Not saying it is not true, but I find it interesting that the writer claims "we did verify the Benz came to Australia" but Benz historian Karl Ludvigsen cannot recall one coming here. It would be nice to have a hint to the whereabouts of the town, the Australian "outback" only covers a few thousand square kilometres. When my good friend Brendan Dillon pedals his way around in April I am sure he will have a good chance of finding it. He may also find the elusive Bunyip while he is at it, could even get a clue on the Loch Ness Monster, who is to say it didn't slip out here to catch up with his mate Bunyip.
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Sconosciuto
26 Febbraio 2014, 13:11
i am going walkabout tomorrow
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Sconosciuto
26 Febbraio 2014, 10:45
For a rabbit trapper to describe an engine in detail gives such a report some credence, interestingly I have since learned that the 6 cylinder thorneycrofts had such an engine layout, this rumored car was supposedly in Kidman Country who was related to the Thorneycrofts his first car being a smaller model though there is no record of him owning a second thorneycroft
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Sconosciuto
26 Febbraio 2014, 08:02
Lawrence, you might be the man to hunt this one out...!
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Sconosciuto
26 Febbraio 2014, 03:59
Many years ago I visited a Station between Menindee and Wilcannia which had a car graveyard left by Rabbit Trappers, they would buy any vehicle that was cheap and use it until ot conked out then buy another, the best of what was available was a 6cyl Packard Roadster and SS! tourer which I bought, sometime later a Vintage Car enthusiast friend told me he had been informed by a Rabbit Trapper about an abandoned Veteran on a station over the NSW border in Qld that had a motor with 3 sets of 2 cyls, I wonder if it has ever been recovered
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Sconosciuto
26 Febbraio 2014, 02:04
The Prince Henry Benz's that Bob Chamberlain had weren't dismantled, one was basically a complete car, while the other had been changed over the years, was always at least a mechanically complete car. The Semmering Mercedes left Australia in the late 60's, I think. There are photos of it participating in events in Australia as early as the 40's. This story and dates of the Blitzen Benz in Australia doesn't really fit in with either of these cars.

Can you give us a hint as to which state it was supposed to be in? Each state is large enough to not give away the exact last known location of the car.
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Louise Crimeen McLean
26 Ottobre 2024, 03:51
My father owned a Blitzen he sold it to Bob Chamberlain in 1948. Bob had two, my dad Craig’s Blitzen and the Symes Blitzen. My dad's was more worse for wear than the Symes car but both were restored. The Chamberlain family sold my dad's in late 1990s, I believe. I wonder where it ended up? Coincidentally, my dad spent many years in Wilcannia, but that was after he sold his Benz. Hopefully someone is still reading this thread.
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Tom Clarke
05 Aprile 2025, 05:09
I was astonished to come across your posting because I am currently researching the two 1910 Benz cars owned by the late Bob Chamberlain. The first was owned new by the Syme family of Melbourne, and Bob Chamberlain found it with the family in 1945. It's now in the Mercedes-Benz Museum in Germany. The second was owned new by A. T. Craig of Melbourne, and later Lou Whyte near Geelong. Bruce Lindsay wrote a book about Chamberlain and he describes how in the mid to late 1940s Chamberlain had to go to north Gippsland or snow country nearby to see the then owner. Was that your father, and was he Craig McLean, or Craig Crimeen? It's not clear to me. The restored car is now in the Louwman Museum in Holland. Many thanks.
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Craig Gillingham
28 Ottobre 2024, 00:16
The Syme car ended up in a private museum in Germany. I don't where the other car is.
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 16:07
Seems a bit of a coincidence this 'barn find' story appearing at the same time this is offered for sale http://www.prewarcar.com/index.php?option=com_caradvert&view=ad§ion_id=1&id=92685&Itemid=432

Both in Australia too.

editor: I think it was a wise decision of this dealer to post the car after seeing our feature story.
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 11:53
In late April, I'll be participating on a ride in outback Australia with a group of Queenslanders on 1920's bikes. It will be a recreation on the old shearers/swaggies route between Broken Hill to Bourke. we will be riding along the Darling river, via Menindee, Wilcania, Wilga, Louth, etc. approx. 650 km over 10 days. this will be about as outback as you can get in remote Australia, past the black stump so to speak.... I'll keep a look out for the Blitzen Benz, Hisso or appropriate other, for you boys.... wish us luck.
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 11:15
24 December 1910 "Jun Jefiries and Barney Oldfield (the automobile driver) were supposed to have left America for a tour of Australia..."


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/57708866?searchTerm=blitzen%20benz%20oldfield&searchLimits=
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 10:13
Our friends at the Prewarcar office have always had a good sense of humour and their April 1 stories have fooled more than one. But this time it seems they have missed the date by about a month.
Such barn find stories always draw a lot of attention, but it is definitely true that there is still a lot out there. For instance I myself knew about the barn find Delahaye 135M that was sold earlier this month for a huge amount of money at auction at Retromobile by Artcurial. And in the past I have known about a fully original Bugatti Atalante on blocks since 1951 and a Hispano-Suiza barn find. Even today I know about several cars in barns, like Bugatti 57C, Voisins, etc. Let's see where we end up with this Blitzen Benz story once the balance of all the responses can be made up and the outbacks have been ploughed by the masses of "Blitzen Benz diggers".

editor: Hans, we know more or less the exact location where the story can be checked. We didn't want to spill the milk at this point to prevent a premature goldrush... And yes chances are small but why don't check traces? Earlier PreWarCar produced the holy grail for Mr. Louwman's collection. The oldest surviving Toyota. Plus a second of the same age...
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 09:04
There's a lot of old stuff in the outback. People usually just drive along, it breaks down so they leave it there. Years later the car will still be there although most of them will have had some parts taken to repair other broken down cars outback as well.
It's a big country and the story of the engine running a pump is repeated over and over again with regularity as on some cars the engine is still good but the body/chassis is stuffed, so they use a bit of bush mechanics and turn it into something else thats required in one of the least populated parts in the world.
So yes, it could be there.
In what state was it, that would assist any further, being Victoria, N.S.W, Qld, W.A.....
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 09:00
One was broken up in the USA and the parts went into different cars. I have a photo from 1924 with the radiator in a HISSO powered race car.
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 08:50
i think it is a myth. During WW2 Bob Chamberlain was having a chat with some guys who said they knew a bloke with a blizen benz . Although this was 1940 ish a blitzen benz was still a respected car in Australia. A bit of detective work found the owner of the car ,but it wasn't a Blitzen benz but a Prince Henry .Although the engine was damaged and it didn't run,the owner knew it was valuable .The price ,from memory was good used Dodge in almost new condition. A rare thing in those days.
Bob never quite finished the restoration of this car or the second one he found before passing away in the 90's. From what i understand they are both in the Louwman Collection now.
http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia-fr/0-982-710625-33-1572376-1-0-0-0-0-0-13044-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0.html
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 08:24
maybe the old man mixed the Semmering Mercedes racing car, which had been in Australia for a while with the Blitzen Benz.
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 07:39
Now I could believe that the car that went to Spain could well still be there [or parts thereof]. June and I have spent several months there and I am really surprised what is still here. I am attending a local car club meeting this evening and will make some enquiries.
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Sconosciuto
25 Febbraio 2014, 00:21
The Italians have a very apt saying 'Si non e vero, si ben trovato', roughly translated, even if its not true its a good story, well founded!

Australia is a great place for discovering old cars with a hidden history, like the ex-Sir Sidney Kidman 1909 18HP Thornycroft I have spent the last seven years restoring, soon to be finished! But Australia is also full of petrolheads, so the chance that such a rarity would turn up out of the blue seems slightly improbable, particularly since the National Library of Australia digitised all the provincial newspapers in Australia right back to the beginning of British colonisation.

Called appropriately Trove, this digital archive helped us find a letter published in 1909 about my Thornycroft car which absolutely confirms its provenance.

Maybe someone should search the Trove database for contemporary references to this mythical beast, and while they are at it, the S76 FIAT which allegedly also came to Australia. Don't think we are in danger of starting another gold rush!!
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