Mystery at Bleasby Hall (Thornycroft, Sunbeam, Siddeley Deasy, Sunbeam, Phoenix or Lanchester?)

I think that Ariejan Bos is right.
Indeed it looks very much like a 1911 Sunbeam 12/16, 4/5 seater tourer

Arrol Johnston ?

Some models used to have the radiator behind the hood

Hello,

I have decided to add to my last comment.
The reason that there appears to be no radiator is that it is situated behind the engine! The sides of it are very visible and, because of this and, also that there are headlights situated at the extreme front of the chassis, I believe the car to be an Arrol-Johnston of either 15 HP or 18 HP of around 1906/7.
The 10-spoke wheels would also be correct for this make of car at the time.

Regards, Peter Maguire.

Hello Again,

Sorry Folks, pictures don't lie and the car in the photo is totally minus its radiator. if you further enlarge the image ( the 'clicked-on one then it continues to 'pixilate' but, then it is very apparent that the front wing that is farthest away continues back beyond where the radiator could possibly be! I think that the sloping 'white' part, above where the engine would be situated is possibly the top of the bonnet, or even a cover put over the engine. I see NO headlamps in the picture. However, side-lamps are visible on each side of the 'scuttle'. They appear to be in two vertical parts and are probably oil or acetylene, as one would expect from a car from this time. As to the make, still uncertain, but think that 10-spoke wheels may be a vital clue. Sunbeams, at least all in the photos to cover the suggested make , seem to have 12-spoke wheels, so perhaps they are not the make of car in the photo of Bleasby Hall.
If I am correct and that is the bonnet resting on top of the engine, then I think that, because it appears to be flat across the front, that either a Wolseley or perhaps a Lanchester could fit the bill. Something with a wide, flat-topped radiator.
Back to all you other sleuths!

Regards, Peter Maguire.

Richard, I reckon you are right. Sunbeam not Daimler. Sankey pressed steel wheels always had 10 spokes.
Has anyone else seen the girl's face at the window?

http://vandpcars.smugmug.com/Cars/1912-Sunbeam-4-Litre-LF4900/27724893_k3h9Gg

The above galley solves the problem. The one above is 4.0 litre of 1912 origin. It is for sale if the home owner needs suitable transport.

Sunbeam without doubt. The inside wing curve is identical as are the raised seat backs.

Veteran Daimler. 10 spoke wheels (Sunbeam as suggested has 12). Scuttle shoulders (similar to Sunbeam) more like Daimler. Headlamps visible well forward. Radiator extends round sides like Wolesley can just be seen. No windscreen so early car. Chain drive Daimler chassis were often rebodied with later wings and valances. High class location suits Daimler.

Hello, Yes the fenders look to be Sunbeam,but at first I was thinking Thornycroft 20hp.I can see the headlights.They are way out front inline with the front fenders.I can see what looks like a radiator cap behind the closest one.Could it be a Thornycroft?

I have had a good look at the photo and i think the car looks very much like a wolseley of the mid veteran period as they had very flat wideish bonnets with a sloping rounded front which extended slightly over a round finned tubed radiator which ran crossways in the front of the car and was positioned quite low

I'll download a photo of a 1910 Sunbeam, with different bodywork but otherwise identical to the car in front of the house. However for comparison I mirrored the image. Also I add a picture of a period ad for the 1911 Sunbeam, so you can see how low the bonnet is.
The 10 spoke wheels both front and rear must be steel Sankey wheels, which were advertised for from around 1909. They are certainly not standard, but I found more cars having these.

Hello,

Interesting comments. I looked at the 'postcard' quite early on before any comments were posted and reached the conclusion that the piece in front of the windscreen was the 'dome' of the scuttle, with the rear bonnet rest the dark line across it.
The bonnet, radiator and headlamps appear to be absent! In this I agree with the conclusions reached by Jaap ter Linden!
It may well be that the car was just posed to give some life to a rather dull photo, not unusual at the time.
However, this does not help with the identification of the car. Interestingly enough, my first conclusion as to make was also 'Daimler'!
Again, Talbots of the time were also similar in the scuttle area, depending on body.

Regards, Peter Maguire.

You are right, it seems unlikely, but I don't see a radiator and it looks like a part of the engine, no strait lines where you should see a bonnet or hood.

The scuttle looks Daimlerish, What about the idea that there is no radiator and no hood ?
People are busy repairing the car ?


editor: I had a similar thought, but the scene does not look like that. And why make a stylish ( & expensive professional) photo for a postcard with a car in disrepair in the foreground? And if so, where did they leave all the parts? Put away just for the photo?

The car is definitely a Sunbeam. The winged mudguards are a typical Sunbeam feature of 1910-1911. Sunbeam also has this low bonnet-line and the flat curved dumb irons. Finally the high scuttle fits a 1910-1911 Sunbeam very well.

Siddeley Deasy

I was thinking about Phoenix but is their 11.9 not big enough for a regular four-five seater body?
http://www.rcc.on.net/Uploads/SiteMgt/phoenixrhf2.jpg
My second opinion a Scottish built Arrol-Johnston.

lanchester?

The wheels are unusual having 10 spokes?

Maybe a Siddeley-Deasy?