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Prewar Workshop: Trembler coils

Recently in the workshop I had ignition problems with a <1900 vehicle. The car would not really want to work well when cold and had problems finding the correct ignition timing.  The ignition system was a modern set of contact breakers and coils and seems to have been converted at some point in history from its unknown original battery operated ignition type.

In this case, I decided to use trembler coils for this car. The system best known from the Model T Ford. The main advantage of these is that they give a continuous spark as long as the contact is made. Unlike the contact breaker ignition, that charges the coil and releases the spark only once per powerstroke.

The way the trembler does this is that it has a coil inside that acts like an electromagnet. When the trembler is supplied with current, the primary coil charges and magnetizes an iron core its wound around. The magnet pulls open the trembler points that are mounted on top of the assembly.

The trembler points open, causing the current in the primary coil to stop and the magnet to be demagnetized. At the same time, the secondary winding has generated a high tension current which arcs over the spark plug. Demagnetizing the iron core in the primary winding closes the trembler points again and the process repeats. This process repeats multiple times per second which looks as a continuous spark as long as the assembly is supplied with power.

Power to the assembly comes from a distributor on the camshaft. This distributor has a brush that makes contact for a few degrees of rotation, giving the coil a spark for some length of piston travel.

For questions or remarks, please comment on the artice or ask me via [email protected]

Article by Jos van Genugten

 

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domenica giugno 27th, 2021
Nick Simpson
01 Luglio 2021, 08:59
Looking for some information:- I have a local friend with a Czeck Aero 30 roadster from about 1937. Two cylinder two-stroke motor. Can anyone furnish a wiring diagram and some information about how the ignition system works? It has two coils and two capacitors, each coil HT cable direct to each spark plug. It only sparks on one cylinder - is there a contact breaker somewhere?

Nick Simpson.
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ALAN WILLIAMS
03 Luglio 2019, 10:31
Is it best to use a 6 volt battery for a trembler coil, or it is better or not recommended to use a 12 volt battery?
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Alan Matthews
01 Luglio 2019, 21:38
After second thoughts it may be possible for the system to work with the points in the "frame" side of the coil to make and break the circuit but with the ignition switch in the live side of the primary. The current in the high voltage secondary would then have to travel via the buzzer contacts when the spark happens.
One side of the points can then go to the frame/earth and will not need to be isolated.
Matty
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Alan Matthews
01 Luglio 2019, 11:57
Hi I have been helping Alan Williams and have got a great spark from two of his coils on the bench.
I believe that normal car type points function by connecting to frame (earth) with a capacitor across the points and the spark occurs when the points break.
However the trembler coil has both the primary and secondary coils taken to the "frame" terminal so the primary end of the coil- via its buzzer contact- must be taken to the battery via some points and ignition switch.
The points therefore are not connected to frame and must be isolated from earth.
These points should be operated from a cam which is made for a few degrees before TDC preferably with some form of advance /retard adjustment.
I do not believe that the timing when the points make is very important because there is a big spark and ignition should happen straight away so the length of time the points are made and the spark is present should not be critical.
So to conclude , I think that the points should be isolated from earth and in series with the primary of the trembler and they should be operated by a cam to be made to for a few degrees before TDC and for only a few degrees of rotation.
I am an electronic engineer but not an expert on trembler coil use so would be grateful for any comments.
Matty
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ALAN WILLIAMS
17 Maggio 2019, 20:17
i have a 1904 kery motorcyle. it has been fitted with a 12volt 4 amp motorcycle battery, a 1960/1970 12 volt car coil, a pair of contact breaker points and condeser from a bsa bantam motorcycle. the problem is that the battery runs flat after about 15 miles, i have decided that this ignition system was not available in 1904 and that it was a trembler coil system with a insulated rotor that had a bronge pick up strip across it and then to earth,further that it has phospher bronge siwpe finger to supply the power to the rotor, this works on a bench test but will this system last a cosiderable time before the battery goes flat. alan
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Sconosciuto
28 Luglio 2017, 18:48
i have started a jet engine using a model T trembler coil, ideal as the spark keeps on going.
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Sconosciuto
28 Luglio 2017, 08:43
My A.C. Sociable has had a second plug and a trembler coil added to make starting easier. I have the spark gap set the same as for the magneto-driven plug, but from the video, it looks as though I could set it wider and get a fatter spark. What do people use in their Model Ts?
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Sconosciuto
27 Luglio 2017, 11:05
Now I understand! Thanks Jos.
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Tony Hillyard
27 Luglio 2017, 06:38
A very nice explanation Jos, thank you. I found with my Model T Ford once the trembler coils were set up correctly it was a very reliable ignition system.
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