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Seeking info on this Fiat touring (update: 1914 type E17 , type 56, 52B ?)
We can't help it, we just love this kind of barnfresh photos.
Tim Ruth writes: "Can anyone help me identify the year on this fiat? I just got it, it was in a barn 60 yrs and ran 30 years ago (supposed). The wiring has been messed with, so I'm seeking wiring diagram. The Zenith updraft looks like it's missing something where theres an empty bracket, so any carb info is very welcome. I think there may be a compression release handle near the crank? Of course any pictures of one like this, I can't find one but there has to be one somewhere. Just wondering where to get info on the thing. There are 3 name plates but I can't find anything to mean anything. One has an 'E' with a number so I'm thinking E-series Touring. It has a 140 inch wheelbase, lots of brass, radiator, lights, windshield frame, caps and hubs. Any help is greatly appreciated, I want to get smart before I dig in. I think it's a 3 liter engine. Iit has 2 spark plugs in each cylinder; one on top, one inside. 35x5 wheels, gear shift handle and park brake look just like ones on Jay Lenos' 1917 Botofogo on YouTube. I've seen the fenders on another car but the body is different. The body is aluminim, fenders metal and wood running boards and floor boards. Thanks for anything!"
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tim ruth
30 Marzo 2016, 00:08
please contact me galleria if you can help me on id plate
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tim ruth
10 Marzo 2016, 22:27
[quote name="Galleria"]If you can supply me with the chassis number of your FIAT, to be found on the ID plate, it will be very easy to identify your car properly. All FIAT serial numbers are tied up to different types and well known. Jan Bruijn[/quote]
the # is e-7041 please contact me somehow im very interested cause that # means nothing i can find
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the # is e-7041 please contact me somehow im very interested cause that # means nothing i can find
tim ruth
09 Marzo 2016, 23:11
[quote name=""]I have 2 wiring diagrams for Marelli equipment as fiited on the FIAT 501 1923-26, 505,510. if they are of any help I could send you a copy.
We are a vintage car radiator firm and a customer has requested me to fabricate a FIAT radiator of this type. However he does not have a model. Would it be possible to take measurements off your radiator. Also, if you need the radiator checked or repaired, we could be be of service.[/quote]
i sent you measurement of26 wide 32 high 5 deep if you need more help or pics let me know thanks
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We are a vintage car radiator firm and a customer has requested me to fabricate a FIAT radiator of this type. However he does not have a model. Would it be possible to take measurements off your radiator. Also, if you need the radiator checked or repaired, we could be be of service.[/quote]
i sent you measurement of26 wide 32 high 5 deep if you need more help or pics let me know thanks
tim ruth
09 Marzo 2016, 23:01
[quote name="Galleria"]If you can supply me with the chassis number of your FIAT, to be found on the ID plate, it will be very easy to identify your car properly. All FIAT serial numbers are tied up to different types and well known. Jan Bruijn[/quote]
the fiat stamped brass plate on the firewall interior is e-7041 i hope this means something to you ive tried since oct/15 to know what that means
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the fiat stamped brass plate on the firewall interior is e-7041 i hope this means something to you ive tried since oct/15 to know what that means
tim ruth
09 Marzo 2016, 22:59
[quote name="Michael"]It would appear to be fitted with Gruss air shock absorbers, they look the same as fitted to my Crossley IGL 3 .They where patented on Feb 6 1922 US patent no 1446793A[/quote]
the air shocks are westinghouse do you have and experience w these? the air shocks on an isotto franschini axle i have are different they may be gruss do you have a picture of the gruss shocks im curios what the ones are on th isotto
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the air shocks are westinghouse do you have and experience w these? the air shocks on an isotto franschini axle i have are different they may be gruss do you have a picture of the gruss shocks im curios what the ones are on th isotto
tim ruth
09 Marzo 2016, 22:56
[quote name="Maldwyn Jones"]I assume your in the US ? This is an American built Fiat, the US plant was at Poughkeepsie, New York. The difference between US & Italian built cars are complex as is the car/frame/engine numbering.
The wheelbase you give suggests the car might be a Type 55 ( E-17 ) made in small numbers between 1917 and 1918.
Dual ignition was typical of some US built cars they experimented with Radiator shapes - your car has the pear shaped rad. but it's looks shorter than the Italian type. Does your car have an electric starter ? All US built cars had electric starters 1915 onwards. Italian built cars had pressed steel wheels after 1913. Look for any numbers on the engine/gearbox aluminium casting, steering box etc.
The authoritative book on the marque is 'Fiat' by Michael Sedgwick.[/quote]
the brass fiat plate on interior firewall is e-7041 the motor stamp looks like 10-9-16 or 18 its been ground on but id say 16
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The wheelbase you give suggests the car might be a Type 55 ( E-17 ) made in small numbers between 1917 and 1918.
Dual ignition was typical of some US built cars they experimented with Radiator shapes - your car has the pear shaped rad. but it's looks shorter than the Italian type. Does your car have an electric starter ? All US built cars had electric starters 1915 onwards. Italian built cars had pressed steel wheels after 1913. Look for any numbers on the engine/gearbox aluminium casting, steering box etc.
The authoritative book on the marque is 'Fiat' by Michael Sedgwick.[/quote]
the brass fiat plate on interior firewall is e-7041 the motor stamp looks like 10-9-16 or 18 its been ground on but id say 16
tim ruth
09 Marzo 2016, 22:53
[quote name="Tony Haycock"]Hi
My brother is restoring a 1914 Fiat, and he has wiring diagrams for all American-spec Fiats up to 1920. e-mail us through [email protected] and he will get in touch with you.[/quote]
my email on the fiat touring car seeking info is xxxxxxxx
Editor: we do not post open e-mail addresses as this invariably leads to massive spam and scam attacs to the address of the poster
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My brother is restoring a 1914 Fiat, and he has wiring diagrams for all American-spec Fiats up to 1920. e-mail us through [email protected] and he will get in touch with you.[/quote]
my email on the fiat touring car seeking info is xxxxxxxx
Editor: we do not post open e-mail addresses as this invariably leads to massive spam and scam attacs to the address of the poster
Sconosciuto
09 Marzo 2016, 02:58
#7 please tell me how to see your picture you posted
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Sconosciuto
08 Marzo 2016, 23:45
this post is over a month old so since then i feel its a 1918 fiat e series tipo 55 american fiat the only reason i say that is i think thats when the 140"wheelbase came out? the lady i bought it from says its a 1918 the motor stamp is 10-9-16or18 the yr is ground off somewhat but is definitely 16 or 18 [looks more like 16]the stamp on the brass fiat plate is firewall interior e-7041 [ that has to mean something] i have found magneto wiring diagram[bosch] the radiator is26"wide x 32" high 5' deep that is to the brackets[see pics] and to mr beale it is all you say so was there a 140 inch wheelbase in 16? yes it has electric start [6 volt] heads up galleria the e-7041 is on the firewall i will post pics but theres no menue so i dont get how to give pics? and how will yall find them? im trying here dont know the game yet slow learner i guess it westinghouse air shocks
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Sconosciuto
08 Marzo 2016, 19:46
e-7041 is stamped on firewall on a brass fiat plate 10-9-16 or 18 is stamped on motor
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Sconosciuto
28 Gennaio 2016, 17:51
Good evening,
I had already contacted, but I might not have received.
I am a passionate collector of old Italian fiat, type2, tipo3,501,520 .ti was wondering if you could send me some pictures to the engine and transmission, the differential in order to try to understand what model it is.
It 'definitely a car interesting and complete. compliments
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I had already contacted, but I might not have received.
I am a passionate collector of old Italian fiat, type2, tipo3,501,520 .ti was wondering if you could send me some pictures to the engine and transmission, the differential in order to try to understand what model it is.
It 'definitely a car interesting and complete. compliments
Sconosciuto
25 Gennaio 2016, 09:38
Buon giorno,
le scrivo dall' italia utilizzando google translate quindi potrebbero esserci degli errori nella traduzione.
Son un possessore di vecchie fiat : fiat tipo 2 (motore 52b) fiat tipo 3(motore 53)
fiat 501,fiat 520 sono appassionato di vecchie fiat. la sua e' veramente strana, presumo che sia stata modificata in america, le chiedevo se riusciva ad inviarmi foto del lato dx e lato sx, foto del ponte posteriore e foto del cambio. In questo modo potro essere piu’ preciso nella ricerca.
La invito a vedere il sito del mio ristorante per capire che sono una persona seria
Saluti Davide
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le scrivo dall' italia utilizzando google translate quindi potrebbero esserci degli errori nella traduzione.
Son un possessore di vecchie fiat : fiat tipo 2 (motore 52b) fiat tipo 3(motore 53)
fiat 501,fiat 520 sono appassionato di vecchie fiat. la sua e' veramente strana, presumo che sia stata modificata in america, le chiedevo se riusciva ad inviarmi foto del lato dx e lato sx, foto del ponte posteriore e foto del cambio. In questo modo potro essere piu’ preciso nella ricerca.
La invito a vedere il sito del mio ristorante per capire che sono una persona seria
Saluti Davide
Sconosciuto
18 Dicembre 2015, 13:16
I have 2 wiring diagrams for Marelli equipment as fiited on the FIAT 501 1923-26, 505,510. if they are of any help I could send you a copy.
We are a vintage car radiator firm and a customer has requested me to fabricate a FIAT radiator of this type. However he does not have a model. Would it be possible to take measurements off your radiator. Also, if you need the radiator checked or repaired, we could be be of service.
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We are a vintage car radiator firm and a customer has requested me to fabricate a FIAT radiator of this type. However he does not have a model. Would it be possible to take measurements off your radiator. Also, if you need the radiator checked or repaired, we could be be of service.
Peter Ransom
02 Dicembre 2015, 23:39
I'll try again with the picture: http://www.vccaq.com/#!recordings/c1yi7
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H B Beale
02 Dicembre 2015, 14:58
This is most definately a model E 17 Rivieria 140" wheelbase
car produced in the USA with a type 55 engine with a 5 1/8"
bore x 6 3/4" stroke. A very powerful and desireable circa
1916-17 model
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car produced in the USA with a type 55 engine with a 5 1/8"
bore x 6 3/4" stroke. A very powerful and desireable circa
1916-17 model
Tony Haycock
02 Dicembre 2015, 09:23
Hi
My brother is restoring a 1914 Fiat, and he has wiring diagrams for all American-spec Fiats up to 1920. e-mail us through [email protected] and he will get in touch with you.
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My brother is restoring a 1914 Fiat, and he has wiring diagrams for all American-spec Fiats up to 1920. e-mail us through [email protected] and he will get in touch with you.
Peter Ransom
01 Dicembre 2015, 23:18
I don't know for sure what it is but here's another picture of a similar car.[img]http://www.vccaq.com/#!recordings/c1yi7[/img]
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Allistair 'Bud' Smith
01 Dicembre 2015, 03:46
Not a 505, they didn't come out until 1919, and are basically a larger 501, or a 4 cylinder 510 depending on how you look at it.
I would say this is a 2B (also known as a 52B). They were build from 1912 and were replaced by the 505. They were made with both square and pear shaped radiators.
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I would say this is a 2B (also known as a 52B). They were build from 1912 and were replaced by the 505. They were made with both square and pear shaped radiators.
Maldwyn Jones
30 Novembre 2015, 12:32
I assume your in the US ? This is an American built Fiat, the US plant was at Poughkeepsie, New York. The difference between US & Italian built cars are complex as is the car/frame/engine numbering.
The wheelbase you give suggests the car might be a Type 55 ( E-17 ) made in small numbers between 1917 and 1918.
Dual ignition was typical of some US built cars they experimented with Radiator shapes - your car has the pear shaped rad. but it's looks shorter than the Italian type. Does your car have an electric starter ? All US built cars had electric starters 1915 onwards. Italian built cars had pressed steel wheels after 1913. Look for any numbers on the engine/gearbox aluminium casting, steering box etc.
The authoritative book on the marque is 'Fiat' by Michael Sedgwick.
Per saperne di più
The wheelbase you give suggests the car might be a Type 55 ( E-17 ) made in small numbers between 1917 and 1918.
Dual ignition was typical of some US built cars they experimented with Radiator shapes - your car has the pear shaped rad. but it's looks shorter than the Italian type. Does your car have an electric starter ? All US built cars had electric starters 1915 onwards. Italian built cars had pressed steel wheels after 1913. Look for any numbers on the engine/gearbox aluminium casting, steering box etc.
The authoritative book on the marque is 'Fiat' by Michael Sedgwick.
Galleria
30 Novembre 2015, 10:41
If you can supply me with the chassis number of your FIAT, to be found on the ID plate, it will be very easy to identify your car properly. All FIAT serial numbers are tied up to different types and well known. Jan Bruijn
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Michael
30 Novembre 2015, 09:31
It would appear to be fitted with Gruss air shock absorbers, they look the same as fitted to my Crossley IGL 3 .They where patented on Feb 6 1922 US patent no 1446793A
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roderick renfrew
30 Novembre 2015, 08:17
Ref the zenith updraft carb --there is one listed this morning in the prewar stuff section
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Jak Guyomar
30 Novembre 2015, 05:26
I think it is a c.1914 505. Have a look at a previous string on PerWarCar 08 Mar 2009.
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