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The Frenay Mystery

If you haven’t heard of Frenay before, don’t worry. Neither had we, but luckily we have our trusty Georgano’s bible to help us out. He tells us that it was a neat-looking two-seater made in Belgium with a pointed radiator rather like that of a Métallurgique. It had a 10/12hp four-cylinder Ballot engine. It was introduced only three months before the outbreak of World War I and therefore not many were made. We now know of one partial survivor as Niilo Säntti from Finland sent us these pictures of the engine and radiator he owns. They are mounted on part of a frame that bears the date “1.5.1912HS”. This seems strange as the Frenay was not announced until the end of 1913. Who can shed some light on this marque? How many were made? Are there more survivors? Any pictures? Niilo (and we) would like to know!

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venerdì aprile 26th, 2024
Niilo Säntti
10 Dicembre 2025, 16:54
I have radiator, engine and part of frame.
I would like to have copies of Frenay catalogue
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Guy Raymond
03 Maggio 2024, 21:00
Le nom de famille F. FRENAY était assez commun en province de Liège.
Néanmoins sauf erreur nous pouvons dire que F. FRENAY était ingénieur et vers 1908 il était pilote d’avion inscrit à l’Aéro Club Liège – Spa.
Dans le journal LA MEUSE du 10 octobre 1910, F. FRENAY est inscrit au meeting aérien à KIEWIT sur un biplan VOISIN.

Dans ce même journal LA MEUSE du 2 novembre 1910, il est écrit :
Il y avait une causerie sur « l’aviation » par Monsieur F. FRENAY, ingénieur et aviateur à la société des élèves sortis de l’école industrielle de Liège.

Dans ce même journal LA MEUSE du 7 avril 1912, il est annoncé les fiançailles de F. FRENAY ingénieur Quai de Fragnée 63 à Liège et Mariette FOUREZ sans profession, Boulevard de la Constitution 25 à Liège

Dans ce même journal LA MEUSE du 20 septembre 1913 il est écrit :
LIEGE :
Demande d’autorisation d’établir : F. FRENAY Quai de l’Abattoir 60
1) Un atelier pour la construction, le montage et la réparation d’automobiles
2) Un moteur à gaz de la force de douze chevaux
3) Une dynamo (production d’électricité)
4) Une forge
5) Un dépôt de deux cents litres de benzine, 100 litres de pétrole et 200 litres d’huiles minérale de graissage.

Dans ce même journal LA MEUSE du 10 octobre 1913, il est écrit :
Au 13ème salon de l’automobile de janvier 1914, il y avait 170 exposant prévus dont F. FRENAY.

A HUY, il y avait un constructeur de voitures, la société anonyme des automobiles SPRINGUEL qui a produit 450 châssis et moteurs de 1907 à 1914.
Durant la guerre 14 – 18, les allemands ont volé toute l’usine de Huy.
Après la guerre une partie est revenue à Huy et les ateliers automobiles F. FRENAY aurait voulu la racheter en octobre 1920. Leur demande est arrivée trop tard car l’ensemble des usines de HUY et celle d’IMPERIA qui appartenaient à Jules SPRINGUEL à été revendu à Monsieur VAN ROGGEN. D’où le courrier en annexe.





Dans les journaux de 1921 nous avons trouvé plusieurs publicités sur les ateliers F. FRENAY


FRENAY – LIEGE 1913-1914
Petit constructeur liégeois qui présenta fin 1913 une voiture légère équipée d’un moteur Ballot quatre cylindres (65 x 110) 10/12 HP de 1460 cc à refroidissement par thermosiphon, allumage par magnéto Bosch et alimentation par carburateur Claudel, ce qui se faisait de mieux à l’époque, l’embrayage cône cuir (dont la réalisation était arrivée à son apogée), boîte à 3 vitesses, poussée et réaction par les ressorts. La FRENAY avait un beau radiateur cloisonné et pointu inspiré de la MÉTALLURGIQUE et de MIESSE.
Quelques exemplaires seront construits juste avant la déclaration de guerre de 1914 et certains furent vendus en Angleterre.
Cette voiture qui ne manquait pas de qualité et eut pu connaître une vogue méritée, ne survécut pas aux conséquences de la première guerre mondiale.
Je suis à votre disposition pour tous renseignements complémentaires.
Guy RAYMOND section historique de l’AUTORETROMOSAN 3 mai 2024
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The name F. Frenay was quite common in the province of Liège. However, unless we are mistaken, we can say that F. Frenay was an engineer and around 1908 he was an aeroplane pilot registered with the Aero Club Liège–Spa. In the newspaper La Meuse of October 10th, 1910, F. Frenay is registered at the air show at Kiewit with a Voisin biplane.

In La Meuse of November 2nd, 1910, it is written:
"There was a talk on “aviation” by Mr. F. Frenay, engineer and aviator at the society of students leaving the industrial school of Liège."

In La Meuse of April 7th, 1912, the engagement is announced of F. Frenay, engineer, of Quai de Fragnée 63 in Liège and Mariette Fourez, without profession, of Boulevard de la Constitution 25 in Liège.

In La Meuse of September 20th, 1913, it is written:
"LIÈGE:
Request for authorisation to establish: F. Frenay, Quai de l’Abattoir 60
1) A workshop for the construction, assembly and repair of automobiles
2) A twelve horsepower gas engine
3) A dynamo (production of electricity)
4) A forge
5) A deposit of two hundred litres of gasoline, 100 litres of petroleum and 200 litres of mineral lubricating oils."

In La Meuse of October 10th, 1913, it is written:
"At the thirteenth automobile show in January, 1914, there were 170 exhibitors planned, including F. Frenay."

In Huy, there was a car manufacturer, the Springuel automobile company, which produced four hundred and fifty chassis and engines from 1907 to 1914. During the 1914-18 war, the Germans robbed the entire Huy factory. After the war, part of it was returned to Huy and the F. Frenay automobile workshops wanted to buy it back in October, 1920. Their request came too late because all of the Huy factories, and that of Imperia, which belonged to Jules Springuel, were resold to Mr. Van Roggen, hence the attached letter.

In the newspapers of 1921 we found several advertisements about the F. Frenay workshops.

Frenay–Liège 1913-1914
Small manufacturer from Liège which presented at the end of 1913 a light car equipped with a four-cylinder Ballot engine (65 x 110mm) of 10/12 horse-power and 1,460 c.c., with thermosyphon cooling, ignition by Bosch magneto and power supply by Claudel carburetter, which was becoming better at the time, a leather cone clutch (the production of which had reached its peak), three-speed gearbox, and thrust and reaction by the springs. The Frenay had a beautiful partitioned and pointed radiator inspired by Métallurgique and Miesse.
A few examples were built just before the declaration of war in 1914 and some were sold in England. This car, which did not lack quality and could have enjoyed well-deserved popularity, did not survive the consequences of the First World War.

I am at your disposal for any further information.
Guy Raymond
Historical section of Autoretromosan
May 3rd, 2024
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Niilo Säntti
05 Gennaio 2019, 10:36
I have now the brochure about Frenay car. Ateliers F.Frenay 60 QUAI DE L'ABATTOIR Voiturette 8-10 hp
Also many sides from Autocar May 23rd 1914
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Sconosciuto
24 Ottobre 2015, 14:24
The person who says it's their grandfather, perhaps we can get in touch? I'm the granddaughter of one of Frenay's daughters, she would love to talk about this!
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Sconosciuto
24 Ottobre 2015, 14:22
Hi,

my grandmother's father actually was the founder and owner of Frenay cars in Liège. When they had to flee for the war they fled in one of the cars, but the company stopped when Frenay himself fled Belgium. As far as the family knows, we're not sure if there are still cars in existance, howevere if someone does have one we are interested in buying it.

I do have pictures of a catalogue, if anyone is interested. No date on the catalogue sadly, but it does have quite some information on how it was built, how much it costed etc.
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Ivo Braeken
29 Aprile 2024, 15:37
I'm also interested in the catalogue. This engine once belonged to a collector in Leopoldsburg, Belgium. After he died it went to Norway.
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Eddy Frenay
26 Aprile 2024, 10:45
Graag zou ik hier iets over willen zien, een fotootje of zo.
Bij voorbaat dank.
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I would like to see something about this, a photo or something.
Thank you in advance.
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Sconosciuto
09 Febbraio 2014, 13:21
Hi
Nice to read about you ¤6 2013-12-02
I would like to have the copies of this catalogue. It is not easy to find something about Frenay car.
Yours Niilo Säntti
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Sconosciuto
02 Dicembre 2013, 13:37
Hello, can you send me your e-mail adress, I'll scan for you the catalogue of the cars, build by my grandfather. I think it's probably the last one existing.
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Rutger Booy
10 Marzo 2013, 13:54
Finally a picture of a Frenay was found. This photo was taken in 1914 at the Dutch-German border. The rear of Frenay has been adapted to carry more soldiers (website in Dutch): http://www.conam.info/gezocht/gezocht-merk-auto-bij-de-grensovergang-sittard-wehr
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Sconosciuto
28 Aprile 2010, 01:41
The factory, Automobiles Frenay, was in Liege Belgium. Was this destroyed in World War I? I have sent emails to Liege, but nobody has answered. Is there any old car enthuasist in Liege or in Belgium, who is reading this and can ask about this car and factory in Liege. It is hard to believe that there are nothing left.
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Sconosciuto
26 Aprile 2010, 08:18
The 1950s French coachbuilder was FRANAY. Sorry, no information on the mystery Belgian carbuilder.
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Sconosciuto
20 Aprile 2010, 04:14
Surely there was a French specialist coachbuilder - Freney- ? I have a dim recollection of an exotic town car maybe from the late '50"s - sweeping lines, duo-tone - possibly seen by me somewhere in England at a major show in the 60's ?
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Sconosciuto
19 Aprile 2010, 08:13
Having worked for a number of years within motor manufacturing I am not at all surprised by the date stamped upon the chassis. Even 100 years ago much forward planning would be required to put any machine into production; and so major components, such as chassis frames, would have to be stockpiled in advance - hence the date.
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